# Is uconsole compatible with CM5 in future? **URL:** \ **Category:** uConsole\ **Tags:** feedback, hardware\ **Created:** [September 30, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127 "2023-09-30T14:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dzzhang](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.clockworkpi.com/dzzhang/32/8133_2.png) [@dzzhang](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/u/dzzhang)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127/1 "2023-09-30T14:29:27Z")
Since raspberry 5 has been released, CM5 is not far away. ---
**Author:** ![beergeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@beergeek](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/u/beergeek)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127/2 "2023-09-30T19:43:03Z")
I just wanted to point out that this is an impossible to answer question. The CM5 hasn’t even been announced yet – if it ever will. The RPi5 has only been announced – we are still a few weeks from shipping. So there is absolutely no way to know if this is even possible and no way to answer this question other than 🤷 ---
**Author:** ![hkbarton](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.clockworkpi.com/hkbarton/32/4505_2.png) [@hkbarton](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/u/hkbarton)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127/3 "2023-09-30T22:06:50Z")
I personally believe if there’s CM5, the raspberry foundation will maintain the interface compatibility. Normally compute module will come out a year after the pi. Anyway, I’ve already ordered Pi5 and can’t wait to play around. ---
**Author:** ![DeRock25](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.clockworkpi.com/derock25/32/7976_2.png) [@DeRock25](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/u/DeRock25)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127/4 "2023-09-30T22:40:21Z")
From a leyman perspective Imho I don’t think it will be a drop in replacement. It has a new I/o controller and double the pci connections… the gpio on the current connector is already strained… Their info that it’s 2-3 times faster I think includes peripheral # and speeds … so in the console I dunno if it will be an “impressive improvement” passive cooling and all… ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Finlayson](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.clockworkpi.com/ryan_finlayson/32/5989_2.png) [@Ryan\_Finlayson](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/u/Ryan_Finlayson)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 11:24pm UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127/5 "2023-09-30T23:24:38Z")
Probably in the future. Remember, clockwork is a small team, someone on here said less than 10 people working at Clockwork Pi. So the community would have to come together to make it possible. And that’s a big ask. But I think down the line, if Clockwork Pi is still around, they will add more compatible cores for their products. ---
**Author:** ![mikeschnier](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.clockworkpi.com/mikeschnier/32/9697_2.png) [@mikeschnier](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/u/mikeschnier)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 3:16am UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127/6 "2023-10-01T03:16:09Z")
Considering a Compute Module based on the Raspberry Pi 5 hasn’t been announced, we have no idea if the board will be compatible, if a new adapter board will be viable, or if there even will be a CM5. I’d wait for it to exist before anyone can make declarations about where it will or won’t be compatible. The Raspberry Pi foundation tends to wait a year after introducing the Model B board to announce a Compute Module. The Raspberry Pi 5 has different power requirements than its predecessors, so it’s hard to say what it would look like as a Compute Module. The Raspberry Pi Foundation has radically changed the form factor of the Compute Module in the CM4 and that board currently works in the DevTerm and uConsole through an adapter board. I’d imagine that Clockwork Pi would want to maintain compatibility with Raspberry Pi boards, but a lot can change in a year and they might decide to focus on their own boards instead. There are just a lot of unknowns. ---
**Author:** ![JesseandGraceandCats](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.clockworkpi.com/jesseandgraceandcats/32/9501_2.png) [@JesseandGraceandCats](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/u/JesseandGraceandCats)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 2:55pm UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127/7 "2024-05-29T14:55:46Z")
I guess it is a little bit late to join this converstaion. I am not an expert so I could be wrong. But I do think it is not gonna be a drop in replacement either. I think the main board needs to be redesigned, not just the adapter. Because RBP 5 is more power hungry thant RBP 4B and some says it would draw 15w if you overclock it (which I don’t know if is true). I am not sure if the mainboard is going to be able to supply that amount of power to make full use of the new chip’s processing power. And the heat is going to cause some thermal throttling if not properly address, so I don’t know if it is going to perform that much better than the CM4. Better than CM4 is for sure, but just by how much and is it worthy of upgrading. But I could be wrong. I am not professional. ---
**Author:** ![tapirawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@tapirawa](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/u/tapirawa)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 2:57am UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127/8 "2024-10-01T02:57:35Z")
There will have uConsole with 5G or 6G, Plus high GPU similar to A-06 or better? ---
**Author:** ![P\_V](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.clockworkpi.com/p_v/32/10553_2.png) [@P\_V](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/u/P_V)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 9:53pm UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127/9 "2024-11-27T21:53:06Z")
CM5 is now out! can’t wait to see a CM5 compatible uConsole and how it harnesses CM5 power. ---
**Author:** ![Bagleman](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.clockworkpi.com/bagleman/32/8114_2.png) [@Bagleman](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/u/Bagleman)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 11:36pm UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127/10 "2024-11-27T23:36:20Z")
I am also super excited, looks like extremely minimal changes to the pinout of the cm5. I’ll go ahead and pick one up when I can! ---
**Author:** ![T313C0mun1s7](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.clockworkpi.com/t313c0mun1s7/32/10551_2.png) [@T313C0mun1s7](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/u/T313C0mun1s7)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 5:27am UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127/11 "2024-11-29T05:27:37Z")
Now that the CM5 is out, what I would really love to see and I fully acknowledge it is a big undertaking that would take time, is a full redesign on the main board for this option. The reasons I think it might be worth doing this is as follows: - You can add USB3 to the board. - You can take advantage of the USB C Power Delivery for charging. - It is an opportunity to do away with the CM3 adapter board. - You can make a provision for better cooling, perhaps heat pipes to better get from the chips to the back of the case instead of a outrageously thick thermal pad. - You could take advantage of the newer generation PCIe and additional lane. - You might consider an NVMe slot. - Clockwork could sell the new board as an upgrade for those who already own a uConsole, providing another profit generating product to add to their lineup. It doesn’t even need to include the CM5, since supply chain now makes it easier for us to get a CM5 than it was for a long time to get a CM4. That is just my 2 cents. I know I am just dreaming here, but it would be nice. ---
**Author:** ![benz738](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex029/user_avatar/forum.clockworkpi.com/benz738/32/10514_2.png) [@benz738](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/u/benz738)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://forum.clockworkpi.com/t/is-uconsole-compatible-with-cm5-in-future/11127/12 "2024-11-29T18:34:42Z")
Hello, I read an article saying that the new module is physically compatible with the CM4, so I did a quick comparison of the pinouts and listed the differences I’ve spotted. Some pins on the CM5 have a similar name & description, but I’m not sure if they provide the same feature via a different interface type, so they’re in the list as well. I guess that the compatibility depends on what is connected on the current adapter board. ## CM5 → CM4 **16** Fan\_Tacho → Ethernet\_SYNC\_IN **19** Fan\_PWM → Ethernet\_nLED1 **76** VBAT → Reserved (Do not connect anything to this pin.) **92** PWR\_Button → RUN\_PG (Reset CPU // Power ON status) **100** CAM\_GPIO1 → nEXTRST (Output. Driven low during reset; Driven high (CM4\_3.3V) once CM4 CPU has started to boot) **104** PCIE\_nWAKE → Reserved **106** PCIE\_PWR\_EN → Reserved **111** VBUS\_EN → VDAC\_COMP (Video DAC output (TV OUT)) **115** MIPI0\_D0\_N → CAM1\_D0\_N (Input Camera1 D0 negative) **117** MIPI0\_D0\_P → CAM1\_D0\_P (Input Camera1 D0 positive) **121** MIPI0\_D1\_N → CAM1\_D1\_N (Input Camera1 D1 negative) **123** MIPI0\_D1\_P → CAM1\_D1\_P (Input Camera1 D1 positive) **127** MIPI0\_C\_N → CAM1\_C\_N (Input Camera1 clock negative) **128** _USB3-0-RX\_N_ → CAM0\_D0\_N (Input Camera0 D0 negative) **129** MIPI0\_C\_P → CAM1\_C\_P (Input Camera1 clock positive) **130** _USB3-0-RX\_P_ → CAM0\_D0\_P (Input Camera0 D0 positive) **133** MIPI0\_D2\_N → CAM1\_D2\_N (Input Camera1 D2 negative) **134** _USB3-0-DP_ → CAM0\_D1\_N (Input Camera0 D1 negative) **135** MIPI0\_D2\_P → CAM1\_D2\_P (Input Camera1 D2 positive) **136** _USB3-0-DM_ → CAM0\_D1\_P (Input Camera0 D1 positive) **139** MIPI0\_D3\_N → CAM1\_D3\_N (Input Camera1 D3 negative) **140** _USB3-0-TX\_N_ → CAM0\_C\_N (Input Camera0 clock negative) **141** MIPI0\_D3\_P → CAM1\_D3\_P (Input Camera1 D3 positive) **142** _USB3-0-TX\_P_ → CAM0\_C\_P (Input Camera0 clock positive) **157** _USB3-1-RX\_N_ → DSI0\_D0\_N (Output Display0 D0 negative) **159** _USB3-1-RX\_P_ → DSI0\_D0\_P (Output Display0 D0 positive) **163** _USB3-1-DP_ → DSI0\_D1\_N (Output Display0 D1 negative) **165** _USB3-1-DM_ → DSI0\_D1\_P (Output Display0 D1 positive) **169** _USB3-1-TX\_N_ → DSI0\_C\_N (Output Display0 clock negative) **171** _USB3-1-TX\_P_ → DSI0\_C\_P (Output Display0 clock positive) **175** MIPI1\_D0\_N → DSI1\_D0\_N (Output Display1 D0 negative) **177** MIPI1\_D0\_P → DSI1\_D0\_P (Output Display1 D0 positive) **181** MIPI1\_D1\_N → DSI1\_D1\_N (Output Display1 D1 negative) **183** MIPI1\_D1\_P → DSI1\_D1\_P (Output Display1 D1 positive) **187** MIPI1\_C\_N → DSI1\_C\_N (Output Display1 clock negative) **189** MIPI1\_C\_P → DSI1\_C\_P (Output Display1 clock positive) **193** MIPI1\_D2\_N → DSI1\_D2\_N (Output Display1 D2 negative) **194** MIPI1\_D3\_N → DSI1\_D3\_N (Output Display1 D3 negative) **195** MIPI1\_D2\_P → DSI1\_D2\_P (Output Display1 D2 positive) **196** MIPI1\_D3\_P → DSI1\_D3\_P (Output Display1 D3 positive) ### Datasheets - [CM5](https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm5/cm5-datasheet.pdf) - [CM4](https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4/cm4-datasheet.pdf)